What bothers me about this discussion is that it is just a discussion. So many seem to be using present day events as justification for their personal theory, and then arguing about the differences in theories. In other words, we have once again distracted ourselves from the presence of a very real threat by discussing it ad nauseum.

What all this brings to mind for me is William Golding's Lord of the Flies, which I know all of you have read. One of the principal themes/questions in that book is, once the "good guys" have recognized the evil they are facing, how far are they willing to go to stop it. Are they willing to exercise the same level of brutality the evil ones do in order to stop them?

Societies throughout history have faced this dilemma, and now it is our turn. We are not facing just a group of people who disagree with us. We are dealing with a group of people whose goal is to change -- no, to assault -- everything that we experience as America. Deny it if you want, but that's what's happening.

So the question becomes, do we have the gumption to fight these people as they are fighting us? because that's what it's down to . . . a fight.